In this episode of Decentralize TV, Mike Adams and Todd Pitner talk to Gene, an Epic Cash project lead, who reveals the advantages of the Mimblewimble blockchain. Learn more about Mimblewimble.
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[Music]
welcome to today’s episode of decentralized TV here on brighton.com
uh thank you for watching today you’re
going to really enjoy this interview
because we have with us a special
Project Lead from the Epic cash project
which is a privacy crypto that uses the
unique mimble wimble approach to
blockchain technology and of course my
co-host today Todd pittner who is an
epic cash expert joins me welcome Todd
it’s great to have you on today thank
you Mike yes I’ve been looking forward
to this interview for a long time as you
know I I covered epic cash for years and
uh we’ll contined to do so it is my
favorite cryptocurrency but uh really
excited to be able to have our guest on
today yeah absolutely and you I think
exclusively covered epic cash for a
couple of years on your channel and you
were I think the best educator on it you
were the one who taught me a lot about
epic cash and about mimble wimble so
thank you for that you’re welcome and
the fact is it’s because Mike I I know
everything and uh and and I I happen to
know that it’s our guest birthday today
so I just want to way wish him a happy
birthday as well well let’s bring him in
yeah it’s Jean from the Epic cast
project welcome Jean welcome to the show
thank you gentlemen thank you very much
good to be here and happy birthday thank
you I didn’t know it was your birthday
well Todd knows all so I’m not
surprised all right so how about this so
um let’s ask Jean to give us a quick
intro for those who aren’t familiar with
what is epic cash and also I I just as a
full disclosure I’ll mention everybody
on the show today either holds epic cash
now or has held epic cash in the past so
you know we hold lots of different coins
uh I’m not currently holding any epic
cash but I probably will in the future
and I’m a big advocate of privacy coins
but uh just with that disclaimer up
front go ahead uh Jean with uh the
overview of what is
epic um epic is a privacy crypto it’s a
proof of crypto uh based on mimble
wimble blockchain uh we’ve been around
since uh 2019 since September uh
September 2nd uh 2019 so we’re up there
uh we started along with uh just under
30 mimble wimble projects and today
we’re one of the three uh still standing
and improving so that’s something um so
we are a proof of work crypto uh we have
scarcity uh through limited uh print if
you well uh 21 million ever will be
printed we’re about 17 million into it
today uh epic can be mined with regular
PCS with gaming caliber PCS in addition
to you know uh crypto mining rigs like
GPU rigs CPU rigs um and uh we believe
we are a store value we know we are
unconfiscatable private property um we
like that our privacy comes as a
byproduct of our Technology’s efficiency
rather than through deliberate fation
like some of the other cryptos do uh
this is a really important point we’ll
get into more detail on that I agree
with you we need to explain that it’s an
increasingly more important yeah every
day as in rapidly revolving world today
um and um we are Community Driven so we
did not have uh you know Venture Capital
we did not have a corporation you know
so we’re Fair Launch Open Source we very
much believe in open source um we are
focused on increasing our transparency
from the de side uh and encouraging
community community participation uh
especially on the de side and marketing
side so um it’s a crypto it’s a privacy
crypto that I believe everyone can love
well tell us about how does it compare
to something like Monero then you know
without we don’t want to bash Monero I
mean we all love Monero here uh we CU we
love all all kind of priv I came from
Monero to be honest you know I got into
epic for you know I got into crypto in
2010 with Bitcoin but then we knew about
privacy issues and when Monero came
around I jumped into it uh in
2016 um and was a happy member of the
community as the community gradually
changed um and I when I found out about
um mimble wimble I looked at it
originally and I thought it was kind of
a cool thing but I didn’t like the
tokenomics of the two projects that were
running at the time and uh I waited U
and waited and I was still in Monero um
until epic came about and then I jumped
into epic literally like the first month
of the main net uh so epic um first of
all we use CPU NG GPU whereas Monera
today is using uh CPU compute and now
there’s some uh Asic miners that are
jumping into moneros space which is
weirdly ironic because they had to
change alos before right um our
blockchain is lighter and um because our
blockchain compresses information and
discards a necessary information such as
addresses and amounts whereas Monero to
Opus skate generates additional fake
transactions that are also piled into
the blockchain so they they actually
literally store a lot more data to it’s
sort of like a shell game to add you
know more shells um and and this is kind
of a important thing as as you touched
off on uh
that there could be a question of intent
why you know why are you guys off you
skating why are you guys hiding why you
guys deliberately throwing in you know
bogy data into the mix um you know for
Monero that is not applicable to us so I
think I like Monero I think that Monero
I’m I was shocked and blown managed to
um give up a decisive lead um you know
they were I think as high as number
seven by market cap they’re now in kind
of like the the
20s um but the big thing also is I think
Monero because they were
indiscriminately trying to build a user
base attracted a lot of the wrong kind
of people and that is also a bit of a
concern well over the years I mean we’ve
seen that um but and again to be fair
and I don’t I don’t want to you know say
like oh crypto is all bad and evil and
it’s used for for you know for porn uh
Internet Is for Porn but uh but crypto
compared to the US dollar and Euro and
the ruble and the Yan you know um crypto
is still you know Amateur hour as far as
um uh be being the vehicle for uh dark
spending on uh you know on the global
Arena so anyway so as far as Monero I I
just think that we’re more accessible uh
to uh casual user you can actually still
meaningfully mine epic with a gaming rig
whereas Monero is a lot harder to um for
an average user to get into um monor has
some pluses like they have a built-in
address this is something that we had to
overcome because mimble wimble does not
use a fixed address
um you know so I’m not I’m not going to
sit here and you know just you know talk
about Monero I mean I you know
again in full disclosure you know I held
mon Arrow I hold mon Arrow uh yeah there
just there are key differences um I’m
sorry to interrupt but Todd yeah how
about your take on why epic cash matters
and some of the things that distinguish
it from Monero or and especially from
Bitcoin sure sure sure
well you you know me I need to dumb
things down um so that I will understand
them and the way I like to think about
epic cach is it’s like Bitcoin only
private so we all know and love Bitcoin
we know and love its tokenomics um it’s
store of value but it is a very very
very bulky massive blockchain because
every transaction that has ever happened
with every coin is stored on
blockchain and PS by the way there’s a
company called
chainalysis which has made 20 billion
dollar selling data by uh actually
observing and Mining the data from the
chain and selling it to interested
parties so the way I like to describe it
is if you went to a country fair let’s
say and there were ouses to go into and
there was this ouse that had the be
above it Bitcoin and you walked in there
and you were like um this is weird I can
see out well guess what everyone else
can see in they can see everything that
you’re doing in there now epic
cash a lot of people might really like
that ouse they might choose it on
purpose that’s true I want the bonus
hole um so the Epic cash has an Opa door
meaning that nobody can see what’s in
there but the cool thing is no matter
what happens in there and I’m I’m
talking about rated G stuff like a
transaction like I send Gan you know 10
epic or I send you a 100 epic mic um it
is impossible for anybody to open that
door and be able to determine who sent
what to whom and how much because unlike
the BTC transaction or an XMR Monero
transaction all of the data is still in
that uh transaction right and so and so
with monero’s case because it’s obus
it’s almost impossible to tell but
there’s a thing called you know uh uh
future what what what do you call it not
AI but future Quantum the quantum yeah
the quantum resistance so um but but
with with the mimble wimble tech what
that means is that the blockchain and
the technology behind it through mimble
wimble and cut through and and it just
VAR various different Tech pulled
together the
transaction uh completes and it’s
perfect on the blockchain but there is
no information that remains so even if
one day um Somebody went back and they
were able to crack the code like uh I
mean as you guys know I believe it’s
$750,000 is the reward for anybody who
can crack Monero oh that’s an IRS or a
treasury reward yeah yeah that’s exactly
right so somebody’s going to try and
somebody’s going to do it at some point
in time and when they do it’s going to
open up all the transactions out there
that have ever happened with epic cash
there’s nothing to see nothing to find
that’s a really great explanation Todd
thanks for that and by the way U folks
the reason you’re not seeing me is
because all all of our studio cameras
here are offline at the moment so my
voice for now but that’s okay uh let’s
go back to Jean because Jean has really
great technical knowledge on all of this
um and I I’m sure Jean I know you follow
Ai and there was a rumor you know that
open AI had achieved uh and I don’t
believe this rumor but it was a widely
you know circulated rumor on Reddit that
open AI had achieved a uh a new
breakthrough that allowed the breaking
of AES
256 without actually doing the dcry I
computations now I don’t believe that
rumor but isn’t it interesting that it’s
you know in people’s minds it’s it’s
possible that could happen one day it’s
well within the reasons of possibilities
absolutely you know and and to me this
is one of the things I like about mimble
wimble is that um I think the simpler
the math the more transparent the math
the more difficult it is to break if
it’s not broken from the get-go uh you
know all of us well not all of us some
of us nerds let me um qualify that
remember like the Wi-Fi you know web 64
you know when people were saying that oh
yeah you know mathematically it’ll take
a computer 19 years you know to break
this code and uh you know decrypt your
Wireless Communications and then we find
out that hey here’s a software that
cracks it in 30 seconds flat right you
know and then they go well but wait from
web 20 64 we’re going to go to web 128
and that’s an exponentially greater
thing and that’s going to take thousands
of years you know to crack and we went
from 30 seconds to 40 seconds you know
down the road uh so we know that as good
as somebody’s math is or as good as they
think it is if it’s really complicated
there’s going to be probably some bright
person somewhere maybe a kid maybe a
reclusive guy who lives with his mom in
a basement in
Petersburg who’s going to just crack
this thing like 2 plus
two and to Todd’s Point when he’s
talking about how um it’s good if when
the veil Falls if there’s nothing there
to discover right right exactly that’s
that’s what’s so great about memo wimble
I think that was really the first thing
that attracted me to the Epic cash realm
was the memo wima blockchain but let me
and Mike it’s done not as a deliberate
ausc but done as a byproduct of
compression right you want want the mble
blockchain to be light to be small
compact it it makes it faster to read
easier to distribute easier to bootstrap
a new system that’s running the
blockchain I mean one of the things that
I always run into with Monero is for
example anytime I’m running a new laptop
or a new uh workstation I will install
the Monero wallet on it and it takes a
long time for that thing to sync because
it’s a few gigabytes and the you know
the throughput from the other peered Sur
isn’t really that high so it really does
take a while yeah and you know the
smaller the blockchain the faster that
would go yeah um and speaking of that
actually we just optimized our
blockchain to sync up even faster for
people who are running uh their own
nodes you know for um to diversify the
network or for people who are running
their own nodes as uh solo miners uh we
just launched released a 3.5 uh upgrade
to our uh wallet which includes a you
know better syncing server so that our
blockch in and sink in you know in a
couple hours okay wow yeah that that’s
going to make a big difference now okay
now let me let me then ask you both to
address the one drawback to mimble
wimble that we’re all aware of that that
I ran into as well which is you know the
handshaking the the sending and
receiving wallets need to talk to each
other uh at the same time in order for
for those transactions to go through now
a big advantage of course is that you
can’t accidentally send money into
nowhere and just lose it which is
technically possible with Bitcoin but uh
on the other hand done it I’ve done it
myself on an address oh man yeah very
small amount but it sucked but we found
that you know it is sometimes an
impediment to when someone wants to send
money to somebody else on Epic and then
that person has to have their wallet
open for that to go through in a timely
manner but I understand that epic cash
is working on some theoretical
approaches to resolving that so that’s
what I’d like to he so so we have an
interim solution uh first of all through
you know uh using using servers that
generate uh proxy addresses right so you
have a server that’s acting like a
buffer essentially yeah uh and you can
actually create a persistent address uh
that hangs there uh where the system
accepts the balance and it sits there
waiting for you to actually get on and
then it’s reconciled at that point uh
and that’s a that’s a uh that’s a batch
I mean that’s that’s a quick and dirty
fix but it works um the Holy Grail of
mble is what’s called non-interactive
transactions exactly and that is the
ability to actually embed a transaction
into the blockchain for the sender to
embed a transaction into the blockchain
and then for receiver to come at some
point and
magically uh that yes uh and and that’s
a that’s a tremendous challenge um in
fact there’s a lot of scientific Papers
written on this and uh we were really
fortunate to secure here I’m really top
talent there’s a gentleman from he’s
actually the top cryptographer from
Monero so this is another reason why I’m
I’m still a big fan and I have a lot of
respect for Monero Community but uh
Sarai uh is the top cryptographer from
Monero in fact I don’t think if I think
it if it wasn’t for Sarai and Sarang you
know man would be around
um but uh Sarai uh actually joined uh
epic cash uh on a research
uh project to explore non-interactive
transactions for mimble wimble that’s a
b deal on the mimble wimble blockchain
and yeah that that’s that’s a really big
deal um and up until now there’s really
just been a couple of scientific Papers
written on this and this guy is he’s a
PhD he’s a superb brain you know he was
able to actually absorb all of this
including all the latest um approaches
uh ideas for approaches and um uh form a
strategic paper which we’ll be
publishing
um where which approaches are actually
meaningful because there’s some
trade-offs there are some security
trade-offs there is of course the
almighty gut through that uh part of the
reason why our blockchain is so tight is
it tends to kind of you know um reduce
things down uh which would you know
which makes um non-interactive
transactions uh more difficult right can
I jump in with with explanation
on this and then I know Todd wants to
comment on this too so to do
non-interactive transactions is Trivial
if you want to have everything visible
to the whole world which is what Bitcoin
is right so it’s kind of like easy way
to do this let’s say that Bobby writes
on the wall of his school that Bobby
loves
Suzie right well the everybody in the
world can see that it’s Bobby loves
Susie and then later on suie comes along
and reads that say oh Bobby loves suie
but what if he wanted to send that
message privately he couldn’t just put
it on the public wall and I know that’s
kind of a a funny actually and and Suzie
can find out that Bobby loves her from
somebody else before even exactly seeing
it exactly but if Bobby wants to tell
Suzie
directly that that uh he loves her but
he wants to do so in a private way that
is non-interactive he would have to
leave a note for her in a secure way
that she only she would know how to
retrieve nobody else could retrieve
that’s kind of what we’re talking about
yes precisely and there are many reasons
for Bobby wanting to be careful maybe
Susie has a very you know protective
older brother for example so um yeah so
so we did a kind of a strategic it was
like a one month plus um Deep dive into
this and we came up with some really
good results on how we can actually
proceed from that but it was at a
theoretical level and that’s the
Strategic aspect of it and by the way
we’re we’re going to be very transparent
we’re going to share these findings here
shortly with the rest of the world
because we want other uh projects to
benefit from this oh yeah uh because we
want to move this forward not just for
ourselves but for the crypto Community
especially for the privacy-minded crypto
Community as a whole um but on strategy
alone we realize that we need to do a
more granular Deep dive into the actual
implementation so there’s more of a
tactical followup that’s coming up that
um is a culmination of work from sarai’s
original work plus uh our dev’s uh you
know Biz pool boy uh Todd Lewis U the
original uh epic uh you know developer
is in the mix as well as some other
folks uh in there and uh we will roll
out some practical steps U on which
we’re going to proceed uh Beyond this
right it’s got to it’s got to be built
out and it’s got to be the experiment
experiment because really one of the
things we try
to one of the things we really kind of
departed from is any kind of a handwavy
non- implementable pardon my
French okay so it it’s the difference
between delusion of grandeur and an
achievement is the achievement that’s
that’s the difference between you know
like if you have a great idea nobody
gives a rat ass about it until you
actually build it that’s when it becomes
meaningful okay so so we’re we’re
focusing our uh energy on this as the
next meaningful development in uh epic
cache to take us to the next level not
just within mimble wimble ecosystem but
just across the landscape I I think I’m
sorry to interrup but I I think it’s
such a GameChanger uh to be able to
implement something like that uh because
the that’s the only uh drawback that I
ever hear from people but Todd I I I got
to let Todd comment on this how big of a
deal is this in your mind even just at
the research phase right now to be able
to to add non- interact interactive
transactions to what mimble wimble
already does very well it would be
amazing but I’ve been covering epic cach
for gosh almost four years and I will
tell you uh we had the handshake the
whole time and we went from you know
when I began covering it 18 cents it
went up to 685 at an all-time high and
there were handshake transactions there
I like to think of this kind of like
cash you know it’s epic private internet
cash
and when we get together Mike and we
exchange value and uh you have a an
escape from uh
La machete that I want to buy you know I
meet with you to get the goods and I
give you the cash we’re there together
in that transaction so I don’t think
that’s a bad thing and epic cash mimble
wimble is nothing more than that it’s
just simply two like-minded people
people wanting to exchange value that
need to have their wallets open at the
same time now there is there is a solve
for that and that is within the Epic pay
wallet uh in the guey wallet it is the
epic box if you will and that that
basically is the go-between but that
inserts a a a centralization into the
equation and that of course is what we
don’t want to have right but I will tell
everybody you know I I was a fan of Epic
cash for all of the positive attributes
of which there are 35 positive
attributes of Epic cash in comparison to
other assets well and also let there
there’s a big one that we’ve got to talk
about because Monero being the number
one privacy crypto is the number one
Target by the IRS or Treasury and you
know I just want to be clear I I own
Monero and I’ve used Monero but I’ve
never used it for anything illegal and I
don’t think that that’s what most people
use crypto for people use crypto because
they want to have self- custody and in
the case of privacy crypto they want to
have privacy so but but isn’t it true
Todd that any efforts to take down
privacy crypto are going to put Monero
as you know Public Enemy Number One oh
of course of course and and and with
that can I use that as an opportunity to
kind of address an elephant in the room
here um Jean you were with Monero for a
long while since 2016 and as I
understand it you went through the phase
to where
Monero number one in the private crypto
space they got up to number one number
seven you know uh with their market cap
they went through some Community issues
did they
not oh mono went through a lot of
community issues I mean first of all
monero’s Creator Monero is a for of The
Well of Monero if you will of the of its
predecessor because they actually
ditched their
founder uh and uh you know and moved on
uh into a better future for themselves
but the other thing that happened in
mono was that there was a lot of um
there was a lot of toxicity that
happened over the years that made it
really unfriendly to newbies that really
uh in fact it was really weird to read
you know the Reddit groups and you know
the chat groups um where people were
boning that they’re not getting this
broader recognition and they’re not
hitting mainstream penetration but at
the same time whenever somebody new came
around or somebody with a different
opinion came around they would be facing
some really toxic like hey get on our
level you know if you’re you’re not nerd
enough you know to handle this kind of
thing it it was really weird like
they’re like why aren’t we main
mainstream you know and then they’re
like hey you filthy noobs get out of
here you know
so so so there’s a there’s a valuable
lesson in there and I I wish we our you
know I mean I actually wish we’ learned
more from that ourselves you know but I
like where we are today I like where we
are today with our Tech and with our
community uh and the fact that we have
people with strong opinions in our
community they don’t have to get along
with each other but they like epic they
see the value of Epic um I think it’s
actually a really good testimony to the
strength of the project itself and to
the strength of Epic itself uh analogies
that I like to use maybe it’s a little
tried especially in this day and age is
that both Jews and Arabs love gold uh
while they’re not really crazy about
each other and that doesn’t necessarily
reflect negatively on gold
itself right so people can actually like
something and not you know be absolutely
in love with each other so well I’m I’m
not going to unpack and go into details
but I do want to be very very open
because there are a lot of people that
knew that I covered epic cash
exclusively for the three plus years and
then pretty much went off the radar and
I will tell you that was because of a
community issue between some individuals
and I just want to let everybody know
I’m going on the record right now to be
able to say that it has taken me a long
time to warm back up to to be super
excited about this project because what
never changed was the tech was the Epic
cash technology I love it for everything
that it’s all about that I covered for a
long long time now on the people side of
things the reason why I brought up
Monero is because Monero Stands Tall
today we all three of us would agree
with it they are number one they made it
through their Community issues all of
the ageta that went on between there and
that’s what I believe we have gone
through over the last six months ups and
downs and ups and downs and vetted lots
of things out but I think all three of
us on this on this call anyway can
attest that you know we all feel
comfortable that the issues that were
personal are in the rearview mirror and
it’s nothing but forward Vision moving
forward would you do agree I I I do to I
got to thank you in particular for you
know the leadership that you’ve shown in
this I mean number one I’d love to have
you as a host on this show and the
audience loves it because you and I you
know we get to joke around as well have
some fun but we also cover some really
great stuff and we interview some really
great guests and you know today’s
interview is also really profound I
think for the future of privacy crypto
uh but I just got to thank you Todd for
your leadership you know I uh because I
stepped into the realm of Epic cash I
don’t know it was almost a year ago I
guess and um uh had very high interest
and then just being exposed to some of
the inter turmoil you know I I lost
interest at that time but as you said
that’s in the rearview mirror and I
think because of really the the
leadership and maturity of you and Jee
here and and a few other key people
there’s a refocus on what epic does well
which is the technology and that’s what
always excited me about epic was the
tech and frankly this this all this
theoretical Research into the
non-interactive transactions really gets
me
excited a new because that solves use
case absolutely for the use case because
that makes then epic good at tipping
because there are cases where you want
to send money to people and they may not
even know that you’re doing it right
gifting or or tipping or paying
commissions for example those are all
use cases yeah go ahead Jean your your
comments I I just wanted yeah you know
first of all Todd uh you know I I
appreciate your maturity and your
commitment in this and thank you
literally the hundreds and hundreds of
hours of amazing content that you put in
over the years you know it’s still out
there you know available to people to
learn about epic to learn about not just
epic but to learn about economics to
economics you know and the absolute
necessity of understanding of being
crypto literate in today’s world um I
you know I you know have tremendous
respect for you for the amount of thank
you content you generated oh yeah Todd
has educated so many millions of people
with all that it’s L precisely and uh
one thing I I also want to mention you
know since we’re unpacking kind of the
non-interactive transaction thing um it
leads into some other really interesting
rabbit holes uh along the way it opens
up things like multisig it opens up
things like Atomic swamps you know um so
multis is something that allows you to
perform a transaction with multiple
signatories okay so like an escro
account creation so again this gives you
much more mature level of
usability uh for handling assets for
handling tokenized assets for you know
doing these things um Atomic swap
something that would allow you to swap
out between different currencies uh on
the blockchain uh on the native
blockchain so these are besides just
having a persistent persistent address
or having a way to actually um transact
non interactively this takes us to the
next level and the next level and and
and Jean that that will increase the
trading volume substantially which
increases the liquidity of Epic cash
those things that you just talked about
Atomic swaps I think are going to be a
very big part of the crypto activity
space yeah it’s a necessity it’s an
absolute necessity so I mean so this is
this is this is the kind of thing that
we’re heading into and if we were
talking about this three years ago it
would have been a pip dream it would
have been a handwavy saying that you we
didn’t have the depth of talent we
didn’t have have the experience you know
today we’ve actually managed to attract
the necessary Talent we’ve gone through
and we’ve done the heavy lifting to do
the research um and today if somebody
says well who’s going to do this you
know who you know well we have people of
the caliber of Sarai nother um you know
who’ve contributed to this we have
access and again this is this is a top
cryptographer guy from
Monero uh and we have other people now
and I believe as we publish this work
we’ll attract um attention from other
actually we’re already attracting
attention uh from other people’s uh you
know in other especially privacy-minded
communities and privacy is just I can’t
overstate how important it is today and
how much it is under attack uh by
commercial Enterprises now by the powers
that be fine but and by commercial
Enterprises you know CH analysis is not
the only company that’s doing this there
are it’s a multi multi-billion dollar
industry of some real havies out there
there uh who are uh for the people who
let’s say they trust their government
and they they’re they live in a country
where they absolutely trust their
government they feel like their
government has their best interest at
heart these companies are willing to
sell this information not just to the
governments they’re willing to sell that
information to the highest bidder right
you know and and that’s a liability I
mean I don’t care you know what world
you live in um this level this level
privacy violation is is horrible hey G
yes can I uh I’d like to make a
suggestion because I think there are
going to be a lot of people that are
going to watch this that will have their
interest and I would share with people
that um there are benefits of being
involved with what’s called a micro cap
you know which is uh I don’t know the
exact definition is it under a 100
million or the market cap in that area
but anyway uh epic C where where you may
have uh Monero that has a $350 million
market cap uh epic cash might have a $25
million market cap so tiny in comparison
wait I thought I thought Monero was in
the
billions oh I’m sorry were yes 3.5
billion I’m sorry or is it 300 yeah yeah
I don’t know but it’s billions that’s
for sure yeah I’m I’m sorry it’s 3.5
billion and uh and right now BTC is over
a half a billion or half a trillion yeah
half a trillion so so anyway the um uh
the question is I think there’s going to
be a lot of people that are going to be
interested in getting into it but it’s
just not on every exchange so can we
talk can you talk and educate people a
little bit about how they would go about
acquiring epic cash if they were
interested um well yeah you kind of CAU
me um
there’s we have uh centralized exchanges
we have decentralized exchanges and
um um I’m still partial to uh dexas I
I’m still partial to Vex because it’s
just it’s a non kyc it’s a yeah let’s
focus on that let’s focus on that quick
way of getting um uh let me mention yes
let me mention epic cash.com is a
website where people can can find links
to the decentralized exchanges yeah you
Mike thank you Mike saved yes I was
going to say your your years of
experience this I get a feeling you’ve
done this before
um yeah so um yeah so for example on
Vitex uh you know people can go there
and they can you know send you know
Bitcoin um over there and they can you
know without doing any kind of kyc they
can actually just purchase epic uh we
have groups you know we have a trade
group uh where people can go and they
can actually do do like OTC you know and
just you know talk to somebody you know
who is vetted member of the community
don’t talk to scammers buy or beware
yeah buy or beware oh my God yes um I
don’t recommend that personally it’s the
it’s the it’s the internet and there
hasn’t been one person in there that
fair enough fair enough put it this way
I’m just closing all options with a
caveat I personally have been scammed
and I’m just saying on this show don’t
do c don’t do OTC with a stranger
sorry there’s a lot of things you
shouldn’t do with a stranger with a
stranger practice practice safe uh you
know trading safe CeX yes sa CX yes um
and you know so to me like Vitex is a
good good alternative and uh you can you
know literally get started and you can
you know purchase epic within U within
minutes and and and there is a website
out there confirm that I my memory still
works how to buy
epic.com I’ve
by epic.com or it’s by
epic.com that is the best way for people
to because when you say you get some BTC
and take it over there there’s a lot of
us who are just newbies who don’t even
know how to get BTC so buy epic.com is
the best starting a good resource yes um
and and look we also you know we know
about uh
needing uh more exchanges for example
you know people talk about well why
aren’t you guys own more exchanges here
bic.com sorry we got screen there and um
the reason for that
is liquidity in know in one word if I
had to say this in one word uh you have
to start somewhere and it’s kind of a
cash 22 situation where uh when you’re
small you want to be on big exchanges
but big exchanges don’t want somebody
who is small right uh you know we had
conversations with some major exchanges
who basically said yeah you know once
you guys are over 100 million Market
capap you know will’ll call you we’ll
literally call you um you know and that
was a couple of years ago so you know
probably by now it’s 150 million uh you
know because dollar is not worth what it
was a couple years ago I keep printing
the darn thing and and we should all and
we should all remember that that epic
cash is a community project which means
to get on an exchange usually requires a
listing fee that could be 50,000 or more
and then there’s liquidity requirements
to where you have to put up epic and you
have to put up you know uh uh
USD or us and uh to be able to have a
market makers so there are all these
expenses that you have to account for
and I remember being part of many
Community raises to where we did raise
those funds but then we got on bitmart
and we realized you know not for us they
were they were kind of scammy I’m gonna
go ahead and say it we that we got
scammed you know so but that but but it
comes from the community because there’s
no centralized boss there’s no
centralized uh a a group that is um able
to write a check or raise money isn’t
that right J yeah absolutely absolutely
and you know look with bitmart for
example and it’s this is one of those
things that people learn with um wealth
management uh companies and with you
know with with some like broker uh
companies you know where all they care
about is collecting a fee they don’t
rat’s ass about how well you do they
want to just keep fleeing you and
collecting the fees and uh ultimately
they don’t care if you succeed or fail
or whatever and they’re not going to
lift a finger because their whole engine
is really collecting fees like get the
next guy and get the next guy and get
the next guy in and that’s it um so guys
sorry go ahead well yeah I’m sorry to
interrupt but just in the sense of time
there’s another big topic area I want to
cover if you’re okay with me jumping in
with that yes um I I just want to talk
about and get both of your response
about the importance of self- custody uh
during these times when there’s a lot of
global fear about Bank bail-ins about
currency devaluation a lot of money
Printing and as you know as Robert
kosaki told us here on the show Todd uh
he won’t buy anything that the
government can print right well the
government can’t print epic cash they
can’t print Bitcoin and they can’t print
gold and so on a lot of examples but can
each of you respond to the importance of
self- custody and especially as we’re
moving into cbdcs what it means to have
a decentralized peer-to-peer form of
value that is also private well I’ll go
first because I have to just come out
and come clean we we stated at the
beginning that I own and have acquired
epic and I did take self- custody of it
Mike but good for you I I lost my seed
word so I don’t know where it is or or
how to access it so woe is me I I should
I should have done a better job with
that Mike sorry hear that Todd I’ll be
the poster child for those who who who
do better uh Jean well your passwords
might be at the bottom of the lake where
my firearms got lost too I don’t know
it’s
possible yeah you know it’s interesting
uh it’s actually a really widespread
problem a lot of people who enter crypto
you know um lose laptops during boating
accidents and you know things like that
so they do get disconnected from their
you know from their
stash yes yes so U but on a on a more
serious note um it’s super important to
have custody of your U crypto absolutely
you you need don’t store it on exchanges
like keep whatever your Play balance is
on exchanges um but store for forgetness
sake store your crypto on Native
blockchain in a wallet that you control
that only you control um we got a really
painful lesson and sometimes people like
to sacrifice uh functionality or sorry
they sacrifice uh privacy and safety for
for what they believe is e ease of use
uh Ledger is a really painful example
you know course you find out that um
that yeah it collects your information
and it was bleeding your information um
and then today I saw that uh there was a
draining vulnerability introduced into
Ledger um uh through a dependency tree
no way so so that’s a trusted trusted w
that’s a standard you know um that all
of a sudden turns out to be like super
porous and just like some of the
centralized password Solutions where
yeah you know you you have this password
management software thing that man when
that stuff gets hacked you don’t lose
one password you lose them all right you
know so again like not your you know
like you got to know your keys right not
your keys not your crypto it’s a mantra
it’s you know you definitely want to
have control of your crypto I don’t care
what it is Bitcoin epic you know money
Arrow you know store it on the native
blockchain in a wallet that you control
again and P and PS PS everyone watching
we’re not going to do it here but all
you have to do is go search YouTube on
how to protect your private keys and
watch as many videos as you can uh
muster because that can be the key to
you preserving your wealth in the future
or regretting the fact you lost it um
the resources are out there uh YouTube
is a plenty uh Mike I’d like to just uh
throw in couple of things as far as what
we’re working on you know what what some
of the other things besides interactive
transactions which are super important
um you know we’re working on uh knocking
out some of the lower hanging fruit that
also enhance our flexibility um one of
the things that pboy our one of our core
devs is working on uh and that’s by the
way all these things are on our GitHub
so people want to look at it they want
to dive into the code we inv invite that
we’re open we’re transparent you know
and we really encourage people to sip
through our code you know and if they
find any problems let us know um but
pboy is working on enabling uh email
transactions that will run through SMTP
and IMAP uh so they’ll support that uh
in the next wallet iteration so that’s
another just another way for people to
transact uh you know another optionality
so you you can email someone yes epic
cash in essence yeah
automated way so you don’t actually have
you know that wouldn’t that wouldn’t
require then for both wallets to be open
right no but this a sequence so yeah
you’re absolutely correct you know you
send the receive confirm send back and
you author you know authoriz so behave
just like people are used to emails yes
yeah functionality and the send by file
has been around I I mentioned it on one
of your shows that you know you could
put a file on a you know you can do like
some really like retro spy stuff you
know you can put a send file uh on a
flash drive and you put it under a des
squirrel in the park where the other guy
is going to pick it up and he’s going to
you know put a reply file under a rock
somewhere you know and then you’re going
to pick that up and then so no Internet
contact actually occurs you know sneaker
sneaker net kind of thing you know and
then money will you know epic will
disappear from your wallet and appear in
you know in their re cient wallet uh
after all of this uh all of these cool
steps so this is this is one of the
things that we’re doing the other thing
uh and this is Sky King’s uh baby uh he
one of our contributors uh and this is
really important is um we’re rolling out
a payment processor framework uh and
this will connect Merchant’s point of
sale the POS side enabling the merchant
to invoice customers uh customer
purchases in Epic okay actually it’ll
show it in local Fiat uh it generates a
a QR code so the merchant would actually
using this framework would generate a QR
code in their POS okay that’s then the
buyer can actually scan and that QR code
will contain the address the invoice um
number right for recordkeeping and it um
and the amount and it’ll autofill the
amount in Fiat and in Epic so whatever
your local Fiat is okay into autopop
populated uh Fields so you can actually
audit it before you hit send okay that’s
awesome uh and the other thing because
we’re using common field you can
actually have higher granularity so that
it’s not just a lump sign which would be
it’s fine for you know for just
peer-to-peer but for businesses uh will
allow um breaking it the amount out into
let’s say the amount and the tax and the
shipping for example uh information so
that you actually have uh instead of a
lumpsum you actually have more
meaningfully parsable data for your uh
you know for your point of sales you
know for your transaction recording so
there’s a GitHub that was started for
that and uh and this is one of those
cool you know cool Innovation things
that we recognize we need Merchant
support we need to focus on making
Merchant support easy if we are to gain
Mass adoption oh yeah you see that that
applies to us in in a big way you know
we’ve we’ve struggled internally with uh
integrating any crypto into our uh our
e-commerce system and that’s not the
fault of Epic it’s it’s just the fact
that frankly the e-commerce platform
providers don’t want to make it easy
because I think they have a lot of tie
ends you know with visa and MasterCard
and whatever and they have pressure from
the federal government to not make
crypto easy but from a merchant point of
view and I’ll be quick because we’re
almost out of time but from a merchant
point of view any anybody watching if
you’re a merchant you should favor
crypto over every other form of payment
for the simple reason that crypto is
non-reversible when you get the funds
you got the funds it end of story that’s
it nobody can come along and do a
chargeback no one can claim it was fraud
no you’ve got the funds so your risk is
reduced you can ship the product today
not worrying about a charge back and
when the customer receives the product
you don’t have to worry they’re going to
steal it from you and then do a charge
back so from a merchant perspective
crypto makes all the sense in the world
and and Mike if I may just very briefly
U add to this is that visa and
MasterCard they allow to throw their
massive stat around that you know we can
process you know $100,000 transactions
in one second you know whatever right
and they’re say like oh and Bitcoin is
so slow and you know other crypto is so
slow and yet even though it takes other
crypto minutes or seconds to transact
which is considerably slower than Visa
or Mastercard you get your money there
and then that’s right with them their
transaction happens lightning fast and
then 3 weeks
later you they hold your money no you’re
e-commerce platform provider sits on
your money and says oh it’s you’ve done
suspiciously well today we won’t pay you
yeah so this is another one of
those where specs to Specs you know I I
I just know like I keep hearing like V
Master Card they talk about how
tremendously fast they are then as a
merchant like where’s my money yeah
exactly you don’t get your money and
again if you have a day that’s like 3x
normal then they they freeze your funds
it’s like what okay anyway in the
interest of time I think we’re on the
same page on this but Todd what are your
final thoughts to wrap up this today so
far it’s already been fascinating but
what would you add to it yeah I just
invite people to uh telegram is where
everything happens with epic cash and
there are a couple of places you can go
t.me epic is the primary epic cash
community and they there are different
uh subjects that are in there so if
you’re interested in trading or uh
marketing or whatever it’s just a great
place to go there’s a second group
t.me epic private money that isn’t just
about epic cash but is about other
crypto projects as well that’s in there
um but you know heavily focused on Epic
cash because we love epic cash that’s
where you’ll find me mostly uh Gan is in
both groups but uh there is I wanted
everybody to have those two groups so
that you could go and just really
participate and if you have any issues
in buying epic Cash go to
t.me
epicel desk there was just an awesome
group of individuals in there that are
willing to uh help you and just remember
there is no admin within the Epic cash
community that is going to DM you first
there you always have to be on the scam
alert with with crypto because scammers
are gonna scam and they’re very very
good at it right and also finally um I’m
sorry interrupt great points there Todd
thanks for sharing those URLs just as a
disclaimer for the show people don’t
take any of this as uh investment advice
we don’t encourage speculation in
anything not even in Gold nor in dollars
if you’re holding dollars by the way you
are speculating in dollars by the way so
keep that in mind but you know do your
own research do what’s best for you I
say diversify your risks but I believe
that privacy crypto has a very important
role to play especially for you know
refugees people fleeing an area which
seems to be happening a lot more
frequently you know people fleeing
Venezuela people fleeing Gaza or
whatever you know if you have private
digital crypto and a password in your
head or an easy way to get to it you
have money when you get to your
destination I mean that’s absolutely
critical um uh Jean any final thoughts
today yeah Mike first of all thank you
for for summarizing this and one one
point that you made about you know for
people who are in uh regions where
there’s uh bad things happening right um
crypto is extremely relevant but those
regions a lot of those regions didn’t
expect to be bad regions going back on
you know a place of prosperity for
thousands of years you know all of a
sudden you know it turned upside down in
other places like that so to me it’s
about being informed and being ready
it’s not about being you know afraid
it’s about being informed and knowing
what your options are whether it’s
crypto whatever you want to invest in if
you want to invest in gold if you want
to invest in silver if you want to
invest in ammo God bless you you know
all of those things know your options
okay today’s world the landscape is
changing privacy crypto definitely has
its place I all the above is there
option e all the above yeah gold silver
ammo crypto garden seeds diesel hedge
yourself that’s right food for us solar
exactly lots of food okay awesome thank
you Jean and thank you Todd this is this
has been a really great discussion a
great show thank you both you bet thank
you Jean happy birthday yeah happy
birthday thank you thank you gentlemen
all right folks so that’s the interview
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hope you enjoyed that interview uh I had
a great time and I got to say Todd you
know Jean has such a technical
mind I mean I apologize for interrupting
him a few times but I want to bring it
back into just sort of Everyday People
practical knowledge but Jean has a real
handle on the tech and the future of the
tech and that’s really exciting to hear
about well he he he acquired his I don’t
think he’d mind me sharing but he
acquired most of his epic through mining
he is just an outstanding Miner and uh
and so he is he’s amazing with the tech
uh always has been and he’s he’s a math
um genius you know uh he he’s he’s a
mathematician I mean he’s uh puts me to
shame with all of that so uh when it
comes to X’s and O’s and Tech uh he eats
it for cereal yeah absolutely
practice Yeah well no we we understand
um uh I’m just impressed that epic is is
looking forward with the the theoretical
papers and the new math that’s going to
you know allow these non-interactive
transactions eventually you know I don’t
want to set a false expectation with
people that it’s going to be next week
it’s not this is going to take a while
you know but it’s just going to add to
the utility of Epic cash and actually I
think it’s going to be a game changer
for the applications of the mimble
wimble blockchain me too you know no
one’s ever done that with mimble wimble
like that I’m aware of no and and it
will all be open source and like he said
he the the project is doing it for the
the greater good not just for epic cash
but it’s going to be implemented with
epic cash and that was the one thing
Mike that just attracted me all the way
through my coverage was the the tech the
superior Tech and uh all of the positive
attributes of Epic cach I think you’ll
recall uh Todd Lewis the chief engineer
he and I on my channel uh which people
can go to decentralized directory on
YouTube so just like my website
decentralized directory.com if you just
go decentralized directory uh you you
you can find my channel And subscribe to
it hit the notification Bell but then if
you go down and you scroll down or you
go to the uh series or whatever you’ll
be able to find the Quest for Superior
money oh yeah we spent probably 30 to 40
hours unpacking this interactive PDF
that compared all we we came up with 35
attributes of what Superior money would
be if we could just click our heels and
create it all at once and then we went
one by one you know whether it’s
fungibility and we compared between epic
BTC
Monero uh gold
Fiat um and
cbdcs and when you go through and you
check those boxes you’ll have x’s and
some and checks and some but it’s just a
really good exercise to be able to learn
about Superior money if you would like
to and then if you have your own favored
crypto shoot just put it in the last
call and go through and do your own
research and say do you have a check or
an x on there but epic cash Mike checked
every box except one and that was mass
adoption because it’s a micro cap you
know it’s it’s that’s that’s the thing
these things take a while to catch on
but when they catch on they catch on you
know those are the stories that you hear
and I know we don’t promote um these as
Investments or you you know to the moon
or any of that but the fact is you know
uh micro caps if indeed they have
soundtech and uh and and they do catch
on right for all the right reasons like
who isn’t going to be looking for
privacy coins Mike that uh
literally have no transaction
information in in in in the uh go ahead
no I mean just reiterating what you’re
saying there I think more people are
going to be looking at all the forms of
crypto as the dollar system continues to
fail now and and and when you start to
look at crypto you know Bitcoin is
usually the first one that people look
at and then the more they get educated
about crypto they realize Bitcoin
perhaps is not what they thought it was
is not private for example then they
start looking at privacy coins and the
more they get educated the closer they
get to often then Monero and then they
start looking at well what are other
privacy coin and that’s when epic comes
up on the radar things like that right
but I do want to correct you though
according to Janet Yellen the best money
is the printed currency dollar and the
reason why in Janet yellen’s opinion
that’s that’s the vastly superior form
of money is because they can print it at
no effort while you and I have to earn
it so what would you say to that Janet
Janet’s got you beat Janet is
serving with $100 bills
Hunter Biden’s addictions that’s all I
can
say okay okay which which addictions I’m
curious what’s being envisioned right
there is there is there po dancing
involved yeah we don’t have enough time
Mike we we don’t have enough gigabytes
on our laptop to store all of Hunter
Biden’s addiction photos
yeah hey hey there Ro how you doing oh
well you know it’s time you know it’s
time to wrap things up when your dog
comes and and grabs you and it’s like
hey Dad time to go bro bro yeah he comes
over he’s like he’s checking his little
doggy watch and he’s like you know it’s
half past bark and it’s time it’s time
to go play he does know well anyway Gan
was great and uh I really invite people
to go to t.
meic or t.me epic private money I know
he’s bringing me to man he’s bringing me
toys he’s like it’s Christmas you know
what it’s so funny because he he’s dark
and your back is dark so it looks like a
green scam to where you just have these
things floating do you have you ever wor
have you ever worked for NASA I mean uh
no no with the green screens no but we
have anti-gravity Tech here with the
with the toys yes no no he’ll he’ll calm
down we’ll we’ll be able to do this hey
just
calm down okay okay down down down sit
all right we’re good we’re good we’ll
we’ll be okay we’re good all right sorry
about that how’s how’s your how’s your
smoothie there Mike that smoothie looks
delicious still working on this yeah
that’s that’s that’s breakfast actually
it’s what is that H is that a half
gallon uh I don’t know 128 ounces or
something it’s big I don’t know what it
is but yeah
it in the spirit of ask Mike anything so
you that in the morning and go through
the day or do you go through a couple of
those a day no I go through the day with
this and then I eat a regular meal in
the evening okay okay so you don’t eat
you don’t eat breakfast you just get
your smoothie and you okay so you eat
one regular meal for breakfast and lunch
yeah because you know the typical
Breakfast in America you know it’s like
a diabetes cancer breakfast it’s like
you kidding me you know the bacon causes
cancer and all the sugars cause diabetes
and heart disease you know so I’m not
part of that I want to I want to be
around to see what happens with all this
Tech man I want to see where crypto goes
I want to see where AI goes I want to
see where Quantum Computing goes you
know yes longevity
matters okay so then what do you what do
you like to have for
dinners uh wide variety depends okay
totally depends could be lots of things
okay but I I I do enjoy dinner um but
beautiful getting back to to Epic and
where it’s going I just like I said
during the show I genuinely want to
thank you Todd because you know we
didn’t really talk about this in detail
and we don’t we don’t need to but you
have been so instrumental in the Epic
community of I think helping to sort out
you know some of the some of the turmoil
issues that have been sorted out and
just providing leadership about you know
let’s let’s think positive here about
where this can go as this technology
continues to improve and as adoption
continues to improve that’s right and
that should be the focus that’s what
initially attracted me to it absolutely
I mean Mike do you remember there was a
point in time where we were doing a full
series on the power of private money
yeah and it was it was centered on on
Epic because that was we both believed
you know the future and still do from a
tech standpoint you know it it it was
just there were some some uh uh
leadership community based issues that
we just couldn’t look past and you know
that became kind of a showstopper for a
while but but like with Monero like with
other great projects you know oftentimes
you bust through and I believe we bust
it through and I believe that we uh we
we we we are satisfied in the
reconciliation and I believe we the we
you me Jean uh the the the greater epic
Community are full steam ahead and I
couldn’t be more excited because uh the
other thing I like is that uh you know
previously there was a lot of white
noise working on all kinds of other
projects I just like epic cash and the
tech you know it’s like Bitcoin didn’t
have to have a hundred other bus stop or
subway stops you
know so so epic cache building the use
cases working towards non interactive
transactions I truly believe it is the
the the best privacy crypto uh out there
um you know FOH gives it a a good run
for its money though pretty cool too
yeah lot of good Tech but and monero’s
Monero is great by the way yeah
absolutely I mean look that’s that’s
where I think people should hold the
majority of their uh their their privacy
crypto investment just because it is it
is uh so liquid and it’s a great store
of value and you know it’s heading in
the right direction Mike I just think
the whole crypto space is is going to
succeed wildly because yeah I mean who
trust the banking system at this point I
mean nobody who is informed trusts the
banking system who trusts the fed you
know the US government well the Federal
Reserve with the treasury is going to
just print trillions upon trillions upon
trillions of dollars what’s that going
to do to the of your dollars you know
it’s like I said during the show if you
are holding dollars you are speculating
in dollars and you are losing you know
your dollars are not going to become
more valuable trust me on that point
melt they’re melting in your pocket
absolutely it’s so it’s so funny to me
people say well isn’t it risky to hold
you know Monero or whatever I’m like are
you kidding me have you check your own
wallet check your bank account there’s
risk you’re losing 2% a month in
purchasing power if you buy food in
purchasing power and that’s what people
need to to to acknowledge recognize
study be informed purchasing power is
what’s key and it is exact it it is just
so simple to just go to the grocery
store and and do your own research you
have been doing your own research you’ve
been astonished you’ve been like like I
can’t even go with good conscience to
the meat section and buy buy a you know
ribeye steak because they have taken
what used to be you know a $10 stake and
now it’s like a quarter of an inch and
they’re trying to pwn it off as a real
steak you know a steak wafer yeah and
and it it’s just it’s I just don’t do it
anymore you know I just don’t do it
anymore and you so that’s food inflation
folks that’s your dollars melting in
your pocket well exactly so anyway the
website again is epic.com for people who
want to check it out now uh and and and
buy epic.com that’s what’s going to be
most important important for people
because I think people are going to want
to acquire it and that’s a really good
site to be able to walk you through
there you go practical practical
Solutions now also then T want to give
us a chance to talk about uh
decentralized directory and also then uh
goldbacks these are these are projects
that help support the show oh thank you
very much I don’t know if you if you can
go to it or not yeah I’ll bring it up
yeah if you bring it up I just want to I
just want to direct people if you go
down scroll down and you go to the uh
decentral or Partners supporting
decentralization um that’s where if you
click there uh I would like to show
people a few things one these are
different people scrolling down
to right there there there up up up this
one oh up up up where where my face is
oh the key Partners oh where your face
is okay yeah got it and then if you
click on the yellow there this one C
here to explore right okay got it and
then if people go there and you scroll
down Mike um people will be able to see
uh I had I had Andy sheckman on today
and he has a great offer uh for people
to be able to get uh a free silver eagle
with $1500 uh order of gold oh that yeah
it’s really it’s really cool um and and
uh this section here I want to show you
is there’s we talk about food Forest
abundance.com and solar energy and then
in the middle is is probably the hero of
my site it’s the tax advantage strategy
a let me click on that if people click
on that Mike and you can just uh read a
little bit about it but I will tell you
80 to 90% of the consultations I do have
to do with this and I will tell you that
I’m coming up on a uh a meaningful uh
number of of people that I have helped
that I’m it’s a benchmark for me that
makes me feel really really good and I
just want to tell people that a big part
of decentralization is keeping more of
what you earn and I can help you do that
so I just really encourage you to go to
that section of the site I give you
enough breadcrumbs to be able to
hopefully be interested but if you want
to grab an hour with me I haven’t had
anybody who I’ve given a consultation
who is one their their their feedback um
most of them I would say 75% of them
have moved forward with this this this
this key strategy um it’s revolutionary
yes I mean everything that you’ve
described about it has been mindblowing
so yeah I would encourage our audience
to check that out and uh you know do
your own research obviously and but
understand this is a tool yes the other
thing is in there people uh if you go in
there and you look for the solar energy
area people know that I’ve installed a
food Forest I installed Soler on my my
home well now I have the empirical data
I I submitted my too Bill to uh this
gentleman named Steve this is my bill
from two months ago which is $
64818 for for electricity for
electricity and I finally
got the updated one post selling my
energy back to uh to to the electric
company and it’s here my bill now is
24 I’m sorry is
$24.75 so so everybody out there if you
can fog a mirror you can certainly go to
decentralized directory.com go down to
the key Partners supporting
decentralization click on the solar area
Freedom solar power yeah and then and
then all you have to do is fill out that
information and uh submit the first page
of your electric build and Steve will
give you a free assessment wow and I
mean it is amazing you’ll at least be
able to see what it would mean for you
in your state and I’m just telling you
so the cost of my solar is $33 a month
so I submit to you Mike that you’re
saving about a half yeah almost and that
$675 when you think about energy
inflation give that three years when the
Middle East goes hot the barrel of oil
isn’t going to be 84 bucks it’s going to
be 300 bucks if not more so I believe
and submit that people in my
neighborhood are going to have to move
because they can’t afford their energy
bill so we have to start being Preppers
when we’re thinking about our own energy
exp uh expenditures too so I invite
everybody to please go get a free
assessment all right so that’s all at
decentralized directory.com which is
Todd’s website and Todd I love the fact
that you do all the things that you
promote or talk about you do them all
you implement them all it’s really
amazing all right now uh let me plug one
thing that’s new for this show oh that
that I’ve completed all the lab testing
on these gold backs which are these gold
impregnated bills I mean they have a
layer of gold in them and if you go to
verify
gold.com which is our affiliate site on
goldb you can actually see uh well not
only my video describing all this but
the actual photographic evidence we did
Mass Spec testing I melted down the gold
backs and when you do that you get this
uh let me let me show you a photo first
you get this foil out of it uh there you
see that foil right there yeah you get
that when you melt it at 800° C and then
after you melt it at 1100° you get this
little
pellet that pellet is is 24 karat gold
and I did all the gravimetric testing
you know with an analytical balance uh
and then Mass there there’s the balance
there’s the gold that came out of one of
them 1.6 1 gram I have a really high-end
uh balance because of the lab work that
I do yeah and and then this vial is
actually that’s gold dissolved in what’s
called aquaa which is nitric acid and
hydrochloric acid and then we tested it
for the the parts per million
of gold and other possible contaminants
and we verified it’s over 24 karat gold
and then we did this acid Stone test
that Jewelers use anyway bottom line
folks is these gold backs are pretty
amazing uh in this photo here you can
see they are fractions of an ounce of
gold very Precision uh I mean uh very
precisely manufactured you can have 1
1,000th of an ounce or 5 1,000 10 25 50
the gold is in the bill itself and so
when you’re handing somebody one of
these you’re handing them a very precise
amount of gold making gold spendable and
highly divisible and these are available
right now people are loving them people
go crazy over them I mean check out look
this this is some of the Meltdown gold
dust in the first layer of melting or
the first round anyway you can check it
all out at the website I honestly did
not believe that these had all the
claimed gold until I ran the tests
myself he I’m so shocked that you Mike
Adams would run
tests yeah you know CU I test everything
you do you do and and you know what I I
know from experience that uh you might
want to get these sooner than later why
because the price of these changes once
a day that’s true yeah so so
as had gone up yeah they were getting
more expensive and so you want and and
and after interviewing and Andy sheckman
today I know that there has been a
little bit of a retrace so before it
goes to that next level uh yeah I would
encourage people to make sure that you
uh visit and acquire it’s it’s worth
checking out and again that that does
pay us an affiliate fee that helps
support our platform but check out this
last table here the recovery of gold out
of these bills every recovery was over
102% or or I guess the the lowest one
was 101.9 9 6% if you see that here
that’s crazy that’s great the recoveries
range from 102% to
107% so in every case we were getting
more gold than what was promised on the
bill itself and I asked the founder
about that and he said yeah they
actually do a 5% overage in terms of
applying gold and there’s some
variability you know in the process a
little bit of variability so anyway
that’s verified goldb back.com um so
thank thank you folks for you know
supporting this show and supporting and
understand that the solutions that Todd
offers and that I just plugged there
these are decentralized solutions right
you know we’re not here wanting you to
buy like laundry detergent or a music
album or tickets to Disneyland you know
to see drag queens twerking in front of
your children th this is this is these
are decentralized solutions that are
consistent with what we’re talking about
in this show empowering you giving you
tools that can take you you know way be
Way Beyond and above the normal
knowledge base of the American consumer
who doesn’t know about these things and
that’s why they can never get ahead they
don’t know about your tax saving
strategy Todd they don’t know about gold
or gold backs they don’t know about
privacy crypto that’s why they’re never
winning I mean knowledge is the
difference and and we impart knowledge
here yeah we aren’t we aren’t suggesting
that you uh engage in expenses you know
these are investments and uh if you take
the time to learn why you’ll quickly see
but uh this is just this is just part of
the journey everyone you know Mike and I
I mean goodness gracious we interview
people and then all of a sudden there’s
another Rabbit Hole I got to go down and
and try you know it’s really cool I know
Keeps Us busy it does it does it’s been
having fun with a lot of things all
right so there we go Todd I mean a great
interview a great show another great day
with you I so much appreciate you being
the co-host here we’ve had a lot of fun
together we’ve learned a lot together on
this show yeah we have I mean uh I
believe another interview is coming out
this week uh you’re turning around this
epic interview really quickly and then
on the heels of that is another one that
people are going to watch oh yeah where
I think their brains are going to be
broken in a positive way it’s just
amazing guests brains without Mercy
that’s our
slogan
yeah so thank you speaking of course
yeah for pulling pulling that off all
right well very cool uh thank you so
much Todd it’s been great uh great
conversation today and we’ll talk again
soon all right my friend have a good one
thanks everybody thank you Todd and
thank all of you for watching today
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